comments on: critical path vs longest path - 瑞士vs喀麦隆足彩赔率 //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/ project controls training & courses thu, 24 nov 2022 09:35:29 +0000 hourly 1 by: mohamed ibrahim //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-97661 thu, 24 nov 2022 09:35:29 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-97661 i think the deference between critical path and longest path both the same critical path equal longest path at the beginning as a baseline bl but after you run the updated schedule and implement the actual and schedule delayed more than the approve time firm then the longest path will appear
in others words critical path the same longest path if the project no delayed (extension of time than approval schedule)
if delayed with extension of time this will consider the longest path

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-76192 mon, 24 feb 2020 19:18:20 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-76192 in reply to nwuju bethel.

i can’t tell without seeing the network, but it’s not difficult to figure out.
1) determine how many paths there are through the project from the 1st activity to the last one.
2) add up the durations of the activities on each path to calculate the total duration of each path.
3) the longest path is the critical path.

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by: nwuju bethel //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-76191 mon, 24 feb 2020 18:53:54 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-76191 greetings

pls. from my network diagram am having
from start
path a-c-e =15 days
path b-d = 20
path b-d-e = 27
path a-d-e = 22
path b-c-e = 20

which is the critical path?

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by: paul //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-74981 tue, 26 feb 2019 22:20:01 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-74981 in reply to michael lepage.

create a filter to hide the offending activity.

as for which path to choose, one must understand the culture the schedule is created in. after 25 years of working in the near and middle east among many cultures what ravi has stated is very common. the name of the game in many cultures over there is to hide perceived failure and point fingers for blame. if ravi was to try to explain anything to management, he would under the best managers be told to just go do it. under most managers he would be sent packing back to his home country and replaced. the fact he shows negative float tells me he has a constraint on the schedule somewhere that he was ordered to place. most managers are either blissfully ignorant or honestly don’t care of what and how a schedule works. until that changes, scheduling in the east will always be difficult. ravi may be a good scheduler, but he will never be allowed to practice it in most cases.

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-74925 wed, 06 feb 2019 21:17:01 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-74925 in reply to yang.

i highly recommend you take time to explain the full meaning of what your schedule shows. scheduling is complicated, and negative total float doesn’t need to be taken as a failure.
explanation and education is key. education your team on the implications of the schedule.
transparency takes courage but it’s more valuable than knowing how to maneuver the software to your advantage.

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by: yang //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-74922 tue, 05 feb 2019 14:29:13 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-74922 in reply to ravi gehlot pmp.

hi ravi. have you found the way to hide this and how do you act in such a situation? thank you. i come to the same situation.

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-60704 tue, 19 jun 2018 15:05:07 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-60704 in reply to yusuf.

you can identify near-critical paths by analyzing total float of your activities. if an activity isn’t on the cp it might be near-critical if it has a small total float. you can use the multiple float paths tool in p6 to do an in-depth analysis (too complex to explain here) but that’s no guarantee. as you progress, your cp will split and diverge, often to near-critical activities, but elsewhere as well. i recommend monitoring activities with small float, near-critical, to predict where it may go.

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by: yusuf //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-59290 wed, 30 may 2018 02:28:05 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-59290 hello michael. thanks for the topic. more powers to your elbow. please i like to know if it is possible to determine the next critical path in a failing project. i know that if a project is progressing as planned then the critical path should not change. but in most cases projects do progress out of sequence and this give rise to multiple critical paths. i do experience this whenever i am updating my schedule. if i close the first activity on a path another path will come up with another activity. how can i determine this other paths in advance.

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by: md khubaib rashidi //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-55474 sun, 11 feb 2018 08:10:01 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-55474 for highlighting nearby critical activity we can use project setting and define total float less than or equal to like say 10days and after that we can monitor it.

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-53632 wed, 20 dec 2017 20:33:06 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-53632 in reply to khaja yousuf.

hi khaja, when a schedule has actuals, those completed activities are no longer critical nor can they be on the critical path. this is a basic rule of cpm scheduling – only the remaining work will be on the critical / longest path.

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by: khaja yousuf //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-52604 thu, 07 dec 2017 11:51:39 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-52604 hi michael,

in a schedule with actuals, the longest path is not starting from the baseline start date.

is it due to out of sequence activities? please reply here and mail to my email id also.

thanks a lot.

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-39775 wed, 22 jun 2016 16:55:57 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-39775 in reply to jim perry.

jim, the longest path is actually calculated by totaling up durations of all the paths through the project. the longest one is the longest path.

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by: jim perry //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-39753 mon, 20 jun 2016 14:36:43 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-39753 i’m not quite sure that there’s a difference between the longest path and the critical path because by definition the longest path to completion is the critical path with the lowest total float whether the total float is negative, zero or positive. completed activities default to zero total and free float so whether they are on the critical path or not is irrelevant since the critical path is from the most recent status forward to the completion. multiple calendars used in a project will create anomalies in the total float calculation but they will be easily identifiable and most of the time bracketed by the “real” total float number.

the comment that items may seem critical to me but not the customer is a bit confusing because the project scheduler doesn’t usually “own” the schedule. if a task is determined to be critical and not on the critical path then it seems that the logic is wrong and needs to be adjusted.

sonali had an interesting question about how to find the critical path from a completed project. it seems the best way to find what was the critical path from a completed project would be to simply remove the actuals and move the completion must finish on constraint back two weeks and follow the lowest total float.

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by: afolabi oyedele //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-39668 thu, 09 jun 2016 19:02:59 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-39668 what is thev difference between the time length of any path and the critical path?

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-37122 tue, 19 jan 2016 14:54:05 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-37122 in reply to brian lannan.

brian/major, agree that multiple calendars can mess up cp when using total float – i have yet to prove it with an example, but many experts have rumbled about this issue. in case you’re interested in finding the truest critical path, there’s another post i’ve written about it here: primavera p6’s longest path conundrum (and how to fix it) //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/

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by: brian lannan //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-36891 tue, 12 jan 2016 20:52:21 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-36891 insightful discussion.

i agree with major, if the activities in your schedule have multiple calendar assignments (5-d ww,
7-d ww) or you are implementing the use of resource calendars, the “longest path” is the better choice due to critical activities having different total float values.

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by: major reen //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-36855 mon, 11 jan 2016 21:38:43 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-36855 i think more discussion needs to be centered around the calculations when using different task/resource calendars. i believe “longest path” calculations consider this while the critical path loses it’s identity when using multiple calendars (i.e. tasks on the “critical path” don’t share the same float value). someone please fell free to help a brother out. good discussion, btw.

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by: javed ahmed //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-35809 thu, 03 dec 2015 17:53:24 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-35809 in reply to michael lepage.

thank you very much for your response. one more question: where i can find that entire project is set for must finish date? project end milestone do not any constraint.

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-35768 wed, 02 dec 2015 15:02:31 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-35768 in reply to javed ahmed.

you might have a must finish by date set on the entire project.

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by: javed ahmed //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-35720 tue, 01 dec 2015 16:56:55 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-35720 i am reviewing one schedule and schedule is showing negative float for many activites without any contstaint in schedule on any of activity. how it is possible, any one can explain?

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by: sonali //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-35150 fri, 20 nov 2015 10:25:10 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-35150 hi ,

one of my project schedule is totally completed. all actual dates are fed in. now, i want to find out what was the longest path in actual scenario. how to find it?

rgds.

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by: mark chapman //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-29788 thu, 30 jul 2015 09:30:41 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-29788 my definition:
cp is tf<=0 (imho)
lp is the longest path to complete the project on time. any deviation will effect the finish date of the project. this will be the cp prior to project start. you can have multiple lps in a programme but this is rare. if tf0 then there is no cp but still a lp.

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by: dutchman //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-26398 thu, 09 apr 2015 10:27:02 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-26398 i find the difference between the longest and critical path still confusing. my beginner questions:

1) can there be more than one longest path within one simple project ?
2) can there be more than one critical path in a simple project ?
3) does the longest path always start with the first planned activity in the schedule and ends at the last planned activitiy ?
4) how does the algorithm for the longest path work ? does it also look at total or free float of an activity ?
5) the ‘path’ part is still unclear for me. for my understanding a critical path is always a connected path of activities which satisfy a certain criterion ( for example tf ,= 0 )
how do we cope with 10 activities chained after each other, all with total float = 0, except for 2 activities in the middle due to some constraint or a different calendar. are all 10 activities then considered to be on the critical path, because they are connected or will the 2 activities with a positive tf value be excluded ? when they are excluded, we don’t have a path anymore, right ?

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by: plannertuts //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-24887 wed, 29 oct 2014 14:28:26 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-24887 in reply to oyeyemi.

our pleasure!

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by: oyeyemi //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-24883 wed, 29 oct 2014 12:34:42 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-24883 in fact you are more than word can explain. i really validate every analysis of your training. thanks for been there.

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by: ravi gehlot pmp //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-19368 wed, 28 may 2014 03:18:33 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-19368 well its bit difficult specially when critical path is popular in organization & people expect that software will give real picture…let me give you an example..my primavera was showing tf= -30 days for an activity, when i go to engineering manager then he says do not focus this activity , & do tell this to client & do not report…is there any way to hide this in primavera….

@ michael – how we have to act in such a situation.

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by: sohail //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-11962 sat, 01 mar 2014 17:46:49 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-11962 you can also use filter for finding near furture critical activities
define in filter creteria total float 5, 10 , 2 days as you want

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-11961 tue, 21 jan 2014 21:09:19 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-11961 thanks for the comment shola. i would agree with the confusion on this and this discussion is helping to illuminate those standards. what sorts of factors don’t usually get articulated while building schedules, in your opinion?

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by: shola //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-11960 tue, 21 jan 2014 15:00:07 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-11960 my opinion is that the longest path defines the shortest time the project can be accomplished while the zero float highlights activities that need to be prioritized to make the on-time achievement of the calculated finish date possible.
i am of the “zero float” school of thought, and i feel that many times, we do not do a thorough job in articulating all the internal and extraneous factors about our project while making our project schedule therefore the issue of zero float-critical path definition seems to be flawed. there is so much politricking, laxity and maneuvering in many projects from the planning stage up to the execution completion stage that make subject of criticality confusing to many people.
as project professionals, there are standards that must be adhered to. here we have the zero float and the longest path methods setting the standard for critical path definition and we need to strife to achieve compliance instead of looking for an easier way that further increase our laxity and lousiness.

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-11959 wed, 08 jan 2014 17:52:10 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-11959 hi ashish,
you’ll want to use a feature called multiple float paths. i don’t have any tutorials on it at this time, but you’ll find options by clicking the options button on the scheduling screen, and looking at the advanced tab. turn on calculate multiple float paths, pick an intermediate milestone to end with. reschedule, then look at columns “float path” and “float path order”. all activities on a path will have the same float path number (eg: 2) and you can sort them by float path order.
to find a near-critical path, look for activities with small total float values.
hopefully this will help you get started, but let me know how you make out.
m

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by: ashish kumar singh //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-11958 wed, 25 dec 2013 09:05:35 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-11958 hi mike,
i am a planning engineer for deputed for an high rise hotel project. i really liked the discussion which clarified some my concept regarding the critical path.
i have a question, our client here wants us to monitor all the near critical path running beside our present critical path. could you suggest me an easier method in primavera to find out all the ” near crititcal apth”, as this i have to do it every week for the progress presentation. these process i am using is time consuming.

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-11957 fri, 13 dec 2013 17:55:47 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-11957 @sf
it’s good practice to be aware of both. when you set a deadline on an activity via a constraint, it will change critical activities and thus critical path. but your longest path is a true path that affects the project’s finish date. i recommend monitoring both.

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by: sf yip //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-11956 mon, 09 dec 2013 14:31:28 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-11956 within a project or an integrated project made up of 2 or more sub-projects, we may have some important milestones to meet. for example, a sub-project has to be completed by certain time within the integrated-project period. one of the ways is to impose a “must finish” date constraint for the sub-project and in this case “critical path” is used, which will make the activities along this critical path to have 0 or negative float. so, plus the longest path of the integrated project, the schedule will show 2 critical paths.

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-11955 sat, 07 dec 2013 13:52:15 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-11955 @tim – i think it’s interesting how we sometime have to tailor the structure of our projects so the software works properly. so is the software helping build good schedules or are we trying to help the software work?

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by: mohammad naqeeb //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-11954 sat, 07 dec 2013 09:01:19 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-11954 why when i keep my project as longest path and shows those activities when have tf=0 in longest path and when i update my schedule then if more activities has got negative float for this time the longest path doesn’t show the others activities on longest path without of those activities which i have set in my baseline schedule but it show in critical path.

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by: tim kloster //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-11953 fri, 06 dec 2013 17:29:09 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-11953 your comments
depends on the type of project, how it is set up and what you are measuring against. eg critical path, 0 float drives the expected turnover date. where as the longest path: scaffold dismantle or post turnaround activities do not affect the set measurment.
projects like this do not fair well in primavera risk unless you set up to ignore longest path activities.

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by: phil monard //www.deco-dalles.com/critical-path-vs-longest-path/#comment-11952 fri, 06 dec 2013 15:52:00 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?post_type=article&p=2081#comment-11952 no constraints, no actuals and the longest path wins hands down as the critical path. this quality of a schedule network like this will substantially help with primavera risk as well.

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