comments on: delay claim: lessons from a primavera p6 planner - 瑞士vs喀麦隆足彩赔率 //www.deco-dalles.com/delay-claim-primavera-p6-lessons-learned/ project controls training & courses fri, 21 aug 2020 16:19:45 +0000 hourly 1 by: gopu t r kurup //www.deco-dalles.com/delay-claim-primavera-p6-lessons-learned/#comment-75351 fri, 07 jun 2019 09:57:42 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=31288#comment-75351 in reply to darrin kinney.

but cannot discount the importance of schedule delay analysis and its findings – as that will show how strong is the claim and will tilt the balance during negotiations.

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by: gopu t r kurup //www.deco-dalles.com/delay-claim-primavera-p6-lessons-learned/#comment-75350 fri, 07 jun 2019 09:50:44 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=31288#comment-75350 in reply to michael lepage.

imposing a “must finish” may not be a good idea. check the links and see if the procurement activity is linked to corresponding construction/installation activity or not. if no such a logical link exists, create a link and record this schedule change with the reasons for introducing this.

then may be the ” procurement activity” will show it’s impact on the programme and hence a negative float.

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by: ali osama //www.deco-dalles.com/delay-claim-primavera-p6-lessons-learned/#comment-75289 sun, 26 may 2019 07:36:22 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=31288#comment-75289 i really appreciate you for sharing your experience. i want to share a useful explanation about eot claim preparation..you can read and download it free

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by: chukwudi omire //www.deco-dalles.com/delay-claim-primavera-p6-lessons-learned/#comment-65002 wed, 10 oct 2018 15:04:55 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=31288#comment-65002 in reply to mike sallese.

i’ll advice you use soft constraints(on or before) on activity level. hard constraints(must finish by) in my case is mostly used on a project level.

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by: chukwudi omire //www.deco-dalles.com/delay-claim-primavera-p6-lessons-learned/#comment-65001 wed, 10 oct 2018 14:59:40 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=31288#comment-65001 in reply to derek cairns.

just to add to your comments, i can’t over emphasize the importance of having schedule update requirement clause on contracts, spelling it out to let subs or vendors know they’re obliged to send progress updates weekly/bi weekly/ monthly

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/delay-claim-primavera-p6-lessons-learned/#comment-50063 mon, 23 oct 2017 10:13:56 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=31288#comment-50063 in reply to aamir.

hi bilal,
i’m sorry – this is out of my area of expertise. i recommend you try asking on linkedin.

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by: aamir //www.deco-dalles.com/delay-claim-primavera-p6-lessons-learned/#comment-49946 fri, 20 oct 2017 16:58:28 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=31288#comment-49946 in reply to michael lepage.

dear michael

i need some advice on below scenario
we have project having milestones
one of the milestone is installation works, we have an extension of time earlier due to employer delays.
currently that work supposed to be finish in june, 2017 however we unable to complete the works by the extended date of the milestone.
as of october, 17 – we are still working on milestone.
in august – employer gave us access to one of the sub milestone activities which supposed to be earlier as per approved baseline programme. and this work in progress parallel to our works which we supposed to finish but not completed.
shall the employer delay are concurrent delays in this above case. any case law reference document will be much appreciated.

thanks
bilal rafiq

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by: faye hewitt-lighty //www.deco-dalles.com/delay-claim-primavera-p6-lessons-learned/#comment-45541 thu, 25 may 2017 14:08:33 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=31288#comment-45541 i have only had to experience a claim once. i was on the prime side of the schedule. my subcontractor delayed us out over 6 months. thank goodness that i and the other scheduler kept detailed notes in the schedule for every change and we statused the schedule weekly with xer back ups for each data date. we won the case because the contractor could not back up his schedule.
i am consistently telling the junior schedulers below me to keep good notes in the notebook tab for the when, how and why you are changing the schedule. i can not tell you how many times i have come to a project that someone else has built the schedule with no schedule of basis or no notes in the schedule…it really makes my job a lot harder.

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by: mike sallese //www.deco-dalles.com/delay-claim-primavera-p6-lessons-learned/#comment-43269 fri, 03 mar 2017 19:00:36 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=31288#comment-43269 in reply to edilberto oso.

you can also use a “finish on or before” constraint to generate negative float.

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by: darrin kinney //www.deco-dalles.com/delay-claim-primavera-p6-lessons-learned/#comment-42049 thu, 22 dec 2016 03:42:34 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=31288#comment-42049 i have written several delay claim reports and read a lot of the literature on the matter.
what everything misses, is exactly what you mention – the claim was settled by the management negotiations.
no matter how well you follow the rules, no matter how much “scheduling” you know, no matter how much experience you have – the issues are usually around interpretations of technical engineering specifications in the contract. contractor believes one thing, while the client believes another – the issue has nothing to do with the schedule.
there is then the belief we need higher priced lawyers, more expensive schedule experts. not a chance. the schedule claim submission is simply an audit defense to allow the client to offer anything between.
where procedures break down, is they offer no guidance on the negotiation process. and they offer no guidance in helping assign liability to specific delays.
ex: consider a client rejecting a rev0 design submission. contractor revises and resubmits rev1. client rejects again causing a critical delay. ok, so who is at fault? schedules and all the technical stuff written in the aace 29r and in all the textbooks do little to help clarify the liability to rejection of submittals. both parties will have their position and neither will move an inch in fear of losing all entitlement based on likely complex terms associated with concurrency. leading to only a negotiation. all delay analysis assumes you know the liability. anyone on the ground with claims know the issues are not whether or not you used as built vs as planner vs aace 3.6, or whether or not you used used svp 2.4 – the issues are around assignment of liability to the delay item. there is a believe in all the literature that “truth” exists. that is a lie. there are only shades of grey.

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/delay-claim-primavera-p6-lessons-learned/#comment-38281 mon, 14 mar 2016 13:38:18 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=31288#comment-38281 in reply to edilberto oso.

you will only see negative float if you have a “must finish by” date set on the project.

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by: edilberto oso //www.deco-dalles.com/delay-claim-primavera-p6-lessons-learned/#comment-38258 sat, 12 mar 2016 04:41:19 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=31288#comment-38258 hello,

i’m having same scenario of our project my pm asked me to prepare claim for the delayed impact of procurement tendering package which client failed to approved po on time, now when i run my p6 schedule total float for procurement package is not giving negative float which is still 0 float however using bl1 variance project finish date i can proved that there is big delay. any idea advise if i can proceed with this scenario.

best regards,

edilberto oso

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by: derek cairns //www.deco-dalles.com/delay-claim-primavera-p6-lessons-learned/#comment-28447 wed, 24 jun 2015 11:13:58 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=31288#comment-28447 mannix

interesting read and very concise. you make a couple of interesting points that are all too common but bear repetition.
“…there were no schedule updates over the period of the delay.” when i hear this (and i hear it all too often) i wonder, “how can this happen?” doesn’t everyone do a regular update? but, of course, not everyone does and this is a symptom, in my view, of an organisation that fails to appreciate what programme management is about and the benefits that can derive from its proper use.
“the project team had changed over the life of the project and only one person had been present since the start.” not unusual and emphasises the need for regular and accurate record keeping (including programme updates, see above).
i was under pressure from the project manager to create a hypothetical baseline that did not correspond with the original baseline schedule.” this is an interesting one. i have been here before, too but have managed to resist the siren call. if you are going off-piste to such a degree you may make the pm feel a little better but the chance that you will produce anything valid in a commercial or contractual argument is very, very low. i note that you say this approach was abandoned and no-one should be surprised.
“the previous scheduler had updated the baseline schedule as the worked progressed and did not save regular baselines to create a project record.” oh dear, but see comments above.
“luckily, we had a baseline that was provided at the start of the project that i could recreate to compare the original baseline with the as-built schedule.” yup! been there too. almost the only option available to you.
” the lack of detail in between the project start of finish points was detrimental to the delay claim.” ain’t that the truth!

the last three quotes from your narrative illustrate and emphasise the issues perfectly.

it seems to me that you handled this pretty well with the information available to you and it also sounds like the outcome was probably fairly predictable too, once the basic data was available to management. it is sometimes frustrating when these things finally get decided at that level but it is infinitely preferable to going through a full, legal process after all relationships have broken down.

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by: marcus love //www.deco-dalles.com/delay-claim-primavera-p6-lessons-learned/#comment-28335 sun, 21 jun 2015 02:10:31 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=31288#comment-28335 thanks for the post.
unfortunately, i do not have much to contribute. however, i really appreciate you sharing your experience. i hope that someone on here can relate to your experience and contribute.

thanks for sharing.

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