comments on: how to find relationship lag in primavera p6 - 瑞士vs喀麦隆足彩赔率 //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/ project controls training & courses mon, 17 jan 2022 15:15:34 +0000 hourly 1 by: steve allen //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-88871 mon, 17 jan 2022 15:15:34 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-88871 i have built a lead/lag report as per your article and it works well. thankyou.
i have gone on to try to get a count of the number of instances. i have done this by including the “activity relationship count” field under columns. under “group and sort” “show grand totals” is ticked and group by is “total” and on the next line “project”.
this seems to work well initially giving the total value i am after, but once the report is saved and the report is re-run then the “project count” cell is left blank.
if you could give any suggestions to a solution, that would be most welcome.

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by: james kemp //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-87318 mon, 01 nov 2021 16:35:41 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-87318 i was able to create a filter to identify cases of excessive lag. (in my case, a program consisting of many small projects, i wanted to allow some lag on some activities – up to 20 days – but not more than that.)

display all rows parameter is value high value
(any of the following)
where (all of the following)
where successor details contains fs 1
and successor details does not contain fs 1.
and successor details does not contain fs 10.
and successor details does not contain fs 11.
and successor details does not contain fs 12.
and successor details does not contain fs 13.
and successor details does not contain fs 14.
and successor details does not contain fs 15.
and successor details does not contain fs 16.
and successor details does not contain fs 17.
and successor details does not contain fs 18.
and successor details does not contain fs 19.
or (all of the following)
where successor details contains fs 2
and successor details does not contain fs 2.
and successor details does not contain fs 20.
or (all of the following)
where successor details contains fs 3
and successor details does not contain fs 3.
or (all of the following)
where successor details contains fs 4
and successor details does not contain fs 4.
or (all of the following)
where successor details contains fs 5
and successor details does not contain fs 5.
or (all of the following)
where successor details contains fs 6
and successor details does not contain fs 6.
and successor details does not contain cl2500: fs 60.
or (all of the following)
where successor details contains fs 7
and successor details does not contain fs 7.
or (all of the following)
where successor details contains fs 8
and successor details does not contain fs 8.
or (all of the following)
where successor details contains fs 9
and successor details does not contain fs 9.

just in case someone finds the approach useful.

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by: klm //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-86154 wed, 25 aug 2021 02:32:09 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-86154 in reply to mark porter.

yes this is helpful thanks

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by: jechp //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-85364 fri, 28 may 2021 04:34:36 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-85364 it seems to me that the most practical way is to export the project in “spreadsheet (xlsx) format, choose the” relationships “, and open the worksheet in the tab taskpred. after that, filters or dynamic tables can be applied, for better visualization …

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-79707 tue, 25 aug 2020 20:24:32 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-79707 in reply to richard bentley.

have you tried opening both projects at the same time and then running the report. it should work.

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by: richard bentley //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-79626 sat, 22 aug 2020 00:00:08 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-79626 how can you do this with two projects concurrently in one report?

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by: mark porter //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-77731 wed, 20 may 2020 10:29:15 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-77731 in reply to mark porter.

forgot to mention that obviously the same filter criteria outlined above also applies for differing relationship types i.e. ss, ff, sf etc as well as being able to be utilised within the successor details column if desired.
you should also ensure that your activity id numbering convention doesn’t use any of the aforementioned nomenclatures’.

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by: mark porter //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-77728 wed, 20 may 2020 08:01:39 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-77728 hi michael,
you can actually filter for the lag in the relationship details columns, the key is ensuring that you use the correct nomenclature

to find predecessors with +ve lag use the following;

display all rows parameter is value high value
(any of the following)
where predecessor details contains fs 0
or predecessor details contains fs 1
or predecessor details contains fs 2
or predecessor details contains fs 3
or predecessor details contains fs 4
or predecessor details contains fs 5
or predecessor details contains fs 6
or predecessor details contains fs 7
or predecessor details contains fs 8
or predecessor details contains fs 9

to find predecessors with -ve lag use the following;

display all rows parameter is value high value
(any of the following)
where predecessor details contains fs –

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-77346 mon, 27 apr 2020 19:12:45 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-77346 in reply to safwat hanna.

there’s no way to tell until you make the change and verify the results. it all depends on the duration of activities involved in relation to how much lag is added.

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by: safwat hanna //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-77290 fri, 24 apr 2020 17:38:02 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-77290 hi michael
sometimes the contractor change the relationship between the activities from (fs with lag =0) to (ss with positive lag) . i detect this using schedule comparison in p6 v18.8 , or your report also, i appreciate it
my question is (ss with lag ) increase the overall delay of the project or reduce it ?

thank you
safwat

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by: ahmed keritam //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-75052 sun, 17 mar 2019 12:24:48 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-75052 very useful
thank you too much

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by: pejman naghdi //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-62397 tue, 10 jul 2018 14:29:00 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-62397 hello michael
i’m pejman
project control expert in south pars iran
i have a question
i want to know the impact of the ff relationship and difference by fs relationship on project delays in the primavera program
can you help me

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by: pejman naghdi //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-62396 tue, 10 jul 2018 14:23:30 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-62396 hello michael
i’m pejman
project control expert in south pars iran
i have a question
i want to know the impact of the ff relationship on project delays in the primavera program
can you help me

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by: massimo zannoni //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-55118 tue, 30 jan 2018 13:44:25 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-55118 michael thanks you
you really help to improve my skillfulness.
thanks a lot.
massimo

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-55096 mon, 29 jan 2018 20:11:29 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-55096 in reply to ferdinand ancheta.

unfortunately this report can’t be generated in p6 eppm. these reports only exist in p6 professional.
in p6 eppm, i recommend quickly exporting your data to excel, include the successor / predecessor details fiels and sorting it out in excel.

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by: ferdinand ancheta //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-55063 sun, 28 jan 2018 23:25:01 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-55063 in reply to cesar ramos.

any similarity with the check in p6 eppm ? this also applies the 14 points dcma and a possibility to adjust the parameters as well…

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by: cesar ramos //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-54917 wed, 24 jan 2018 21:07:04 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-54917 michael i’d like to offer an option that is affordable for all user to check schedule quality which includes open starts, open finishes and logic density.

https://jujuppm.com/

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by: masood ahmed farooqi //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-54907 wed, 24 jan 2018 14:20:29 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-54907 michael ,

really what a wonderfully explained , the long awaited solution
i will be very thankful if you explain step by step about sdk for v17.7

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-47327 tue, 08 aug 2017 07:23:26 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-47327 in reply to viet tran.

yes that’s correct.

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by: viet tran //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-47321 tue, 08 aug 2017 04:10:25 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-47321 we can change “activity id” column to “predecessor id” and “successor id” by going to modify/click “activity id” cell, select “custom text” and change the tittle as required. am i right?

thanks mr. michael lepage for you posted.

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by: asra //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-43744 tue, 28 mar 2017 09:19:24 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-43744 hi all
i am preparing schedule on primavera p6 and i am not assigning any 世界杯时间比赛时间 for one particular project. can i find out actual % complete after updating it. i have to prepare a report which includes s curve. i can calculate planned % complete on total duration basis. but how should i calculate actual % complete without assigning 世界杯时间比赛时间 . is this possible ?

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by: saria //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-43162 sun, 26 feb 2017 10:41:26 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-43162 thanks a lot it is very helpful

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-34546 mon, 26 oct 2015 14:34:07 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-34546 in reply to anke.

hi anke,
yes, i do.
after some testing, it looks like you can add an extra line to the filter of this same report. i noticed that some of the fields (like relationship total float) only have values if the activities are not yet completed. thus you can filter on them to distinguish which activities have been completed or not.
add a new line to the existing filter that says:
“relationship total float” “is not equal to” and leave the last field blank. the result is a report of lags but only for activities that are not completed. hope it helps.

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by: anke //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-34543 mon, 26 oct 2015 12:54:14 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-34543 hello michael,

i’m not sure if this topic is still open, but in the netherlands we have a saying: if you don’t shoot, you’re sure to miss’. so here’s my question:

i’m using your report (for which i’m greatfull, so thank you!) to find lags in a planning that my predecessor had built. i’m only interested in lags between activities, when the successor has not started yet. i’ve tried adding a column with activity status to the report, which doesn’t seem to be possible. adjusting the filter to find only relationships where the successor hasn’t started yet doens’t seem possible either. do you perhaps have any other suggestions?

kind regards,
anke

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by: wisal //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-19215 mon, 26 may 2014 07:11:39 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-19215 micheal,

i’m sure you are not offence any one ,because you are really help us to improve our skillfulness and i really thankful you for all your effort to support us.and i mention your exact article just only to get your advise ( to be experienced planner)as you are our supervisor and i acknowledge you are experienced person and we learned from you,apologies for misunderstanding sir.

regards

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by: erol muratli //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-19028 sun, 25 may 2014 08:26:17 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-19028 dear micheal;

i used the same report of lags with the change of adding free float areas but i found them (free floats) too high even over project duration while relationship free floats are within the allowed range, the question what are these high amounts of time as free floats are representing.

regards

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by: plannertuts //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-18655 fri, 23 may 2014 15:16:32 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-18655 in reply to wisal.

wisal – please no offence to anyone who is in my own words “less experienced”. i’m simply trying to point out there is a trend where companies are not accepting schedules with lags any more.
you can always replace the lag with an activity itself, and link it with no lags.

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by: wisal //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-18285 thu, 22 may 2014 05:17:56 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-18285 micheal,
but as you know when you have project with limited time you need to use lags with relation like ss or fs-,otherwise i will not able to make schedule according the required time.

you said in your article “it is common for less experienced planners to submit schedule with lags”,kindly i need your help to be experienced planner and not submit schedule with lags any more ,let know how if i have a limited time for any project because every time i started my schedule with fs no lags but i found that i exceed the time frame and forced to use lags.

regards

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by: plannertuts //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-18191 wed, 21 may 2014 17:39:40 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-18191 in reply to wisal.

ideally, yes, don’t use lag. sometimes it is unavoidable however.
michael

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by: wisal //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-17400 sat, 17 may 2014 05:02:29 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-17400 dear micheal,

first i would like to thank you for all information which so useful,
secondly what you mean by (avoid using lag or lead altogether in your schedules. instead you should use a well-defined activity to represent any lag or lead delay in your project plan). is that mean never to use lags or leads in my schedule

best regards

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by: roberto consuelo //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12292 mon, 24 feb 2014 10:14:09 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12292 after saving the report, you can edit same and change “activity” with “predecessor” and “successor.” this will also solve the “relationship” with the missing “p.”

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12291 thu, 30 jan 2014 01:40:57 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12291 @mehran – no percentage like this in p6. sorry.

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12290 thu, 30 jan 2014 01:39:33 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12290 sorry, no filter, that’s why i put this tutorial together as it’s not trivial.

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by: ashok //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12289 tue, 28 jan 2014 18:30:59 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12289 is there any filter available rather than report gen to do this,i guess there is no,if any pls share it

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by: mehran //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12288 mon, 27 jan 2014 04:40:44 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12288 how can create a percentage lag in p6 , such as microsoft project?
best regard.

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by: derek //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12287 mon, 20 jan 2014 18:27:19 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12287 in step 3 there’s a note about the difficulty of changing the coumn headings for predecessor and successor ids from activity id. it’s pretty straightforward, really. while you are in the columns window illustrated in step 3 highlight the heading predecessor id then click the “edit column” button. in the “new title” box overwrite the existing title with, say, “predecessor”. click ok then do the same for the successor id.

it worked for me…

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12286 wed, 08 jan 2014 17:43:43 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12286 @sim
a driving relationship is one in which the free float is 0 between an activity and it’s successor. essentially, the successor activity is getting it’s start date from this activity – we call that a driving relationship. a non-driving relationship would mean that there is some delay between the activities which might be because of how the logic is structured. if you look on your gantt chart, dashed relationship lines are non-driving relationships. solid relationship lines are driving relationships.
hope that helps!
michael

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by: sim //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12285 sat, 28 dec 2013 11:19:58 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12285 could please describe about predecessor activity column named “driving”

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by: chaitanay //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12284 thu, 31 oct 2013 08:08:00 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12284 hi i had a problem activity 1 with a duration of 25 days and activity 2 -06 days and i had given relationship as activity 2 ss with a lag of 3 days and ff as a lag of 3 days but my star date of activity 2 was showing according to ff relationship

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by: ghulam mustafa //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12283 sat, 14 sep 2013 08:14:53 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12283 any one can help me i am unable to load xer file in p6 praser .

when i click on load button to load xer file its shows the error ” could not load an object because it is not available on this machine.” and after click on ok button its goes to vb and shows ” compiler error : can’t find project or library”

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by: bala din //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12282 tue, 06 aug 2013 05:28:41 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12282 dear michael, i appreciate your demo & i learn to find the lags report. thanks dear.
bala din

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by: mohamed //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12281 sat, 06 jul 2013 12:10:13 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12281 michael ,

thanks a lot . it is really useful

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12280 wed, 10 apr 2013 16:35:16 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12280 hi warren, sorry for the slow reply.
if you save the report, it should be available for all users of that p6 database. alternatively, if you right-click any report, you can export it for import to another database.
hope that helps,
michael

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by: warren //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12279 mon, 08 apr 2013 07:20:13 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12279 nice job sir. anyway, how can we save lag report like layout so we can use them to another desktop/laptop?

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by: david //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12278 tue, 19 mar 2013 05:22:20 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12278 excellent tutorial michael. may i also suggest that if users have a need to interegate p6, then the acumenfuse tool is very fast at producing many metrics that can guide you on the “health” of a schedule.
all you have to do is import an xer file into acumenfuse, and within 30 seconds you can have a full analysis carried out showing lags/leads/float/open ends etc.
have fun!

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by: plannertuts //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12277 wed, 13 mar 2013 00:58:05 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12277 in reply to texas.

thank you john,
many owner companies will not accept schedules with lags. it’s a growing trend that is based on the fact that lags have little visibility and appear as unproductive time. you might still consider it.

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by: texas //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12276 wed, 06 mar 2013 20:54:03 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12276 this was a very helpful tutorial. i’ve been trying to solve the mystery lag problem for a while now. until i stumbled upon this article, my plan was to rewrite our scheduling specification so that lags were not allowed at all.

thank you,
john

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by: ramaprabu //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12275 mon, 21 jan 2013 06:17:23 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12275 really superb micheal.really works well to control the window of a project so simply.need more like this how can i find.

warm-full regards,

prabu

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12274 mon, 12 nov 2012 18:44:08 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12274 eren, you are right – that doesn’t work.

you can customize this report somewhat to add the original duration column to the report. after that, p6 is going to have some limitations as the filtering won’t be able to find overlapping lag. on the run report dialogue for the report, there is an option for ascii text file – this will generate the report data in a .csv file which can be imported to excel. then you can do your analysis in excel with excel’s more advanced filtering abilities.
sorry it isn’t an easier process. please try this solution and let us know how it turns out.
m

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by: eren //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12273 wed, 07 nov 2012 06:44:15 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12273 thank you for your response,

but in the filter menu , i can’t add a filter like you said. there is no original duration or any duration selection.

best regards,
eren

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12272 tue, 06 nov 2012 23:50:26 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12272 eren,
good question! i suggest you build this report. customize the filter to look for (lag not equal to 0d) and where (lag is greater than original duration).
warmest regards,
michael

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by: eren //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12271 tue, 06 nov 2012 13:10:41 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12271 how can we find non-overlapping lags? is there any easy way without using analyzer programs?

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by: mahmoud eltahawy //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12270 thu, 01 nov 2012 15:00:14 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12270 hi ann,
there is no such a column called lag

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12269 fri, 22 jun 2012 13:57:01 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12269 in reply to ann robertshaw.

ann,
i can’t find the lag column in my install. what version of p6 are you using?
michael

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by: ann robertshaw //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12268 wed, 20 jun 2012 03:31:25 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12268 i use the following method to find hidden or unwanted lag.

1: open the project
2: go to activity view
3: add the “lag” column
4: change group and sort to “none”
5: click on the lag column to sort lag into ascending or descending order to group all of the lag together so you can easily find the hidden or unwanted lag next to your activity

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12267 mon, 14 may 2012 14:39:29 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12267 in reply to sergei.

sergei,
thanks for pointing this out. exporting to excel would be another method of approach on this. you can export all relationships, then filter for lag as well. i highlighted the p6 report method mainly because it is a bit simpler, involves less clicking and stays within p6.
regards,
michael

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by: sergei //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12266 mon, 14 may 2012 08:59:47 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12266 the same you can do using export to excel datasheet. after export you can play with data as you want (sorting filtering etc.)

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12265 thu, 10 may 2012 18:55:46 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12265 hi gary,

the relationships table is inside the database and tracks what activities are linked, but this table isn’t accessible directly through a p6 screen. that’s why it is difficult to find lag, because we can’t simply pull up a nice relationships table and find it. the report we build in this tutorial can access the relationships table in the database and put that info into report-format.
hope that helps! thanks for the feedback!
michael

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by: gary cummins //www.deco-dalles.com/find-relationship-lag-primavera-p6/#comment-12264 thu, 10 may 2012 16:10:47 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=1184#comment-12264 mark,
i appreciate your tutorial!
you mentioned the “relationship table”. where is this found in p6?
thanks!
gary

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