comments on: primavera p6’s longest path conundrum (and how to fix it) - 瑞士vs喀麦隆足彩赔率 //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/ project controls training & courses tue, 16 jul 2024 19:41:24 +0000 hourly 1 by: beatal //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-90503 tue, 10 may 2022 02:21:54 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-90503 hi michael,

i have a query that how is the rationale about the as-built longest path, as i filtered the longest path in a as-built programme, it seems that some non-driving activities are shown too.

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-74926 wed, 06 feb 2019 21:20:40 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-74926 in reply to yang.

try these articles: //www.deco-dalles.com/?s=longest+path&post_types=post#search-special

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by: yang //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-74923 tue, 05 feb 2019 18:52:33 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-74923 hi! in the video, you said that you have talked quite a bit on our blog and other videos about how in construction and large industry projects, we should be looking at the longest path as our true critical path. construction scheduling experts out there that this is the new standard and this going to give us the more accurate, a more accurate view of our critical path.

i am looking for the blog and videos about this topic. but i don’t find it. could you please find it for me. thank you in advance.

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-64099 thu, 30 aug 2018 20:55:51 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-64099 in reply to kath.

no, not exactly. p6 doesn’t support the 3 estimates you would supply in a pert implementation.

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by: kath //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-64057 wed, 29 aug 2018 08:57:12 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-64057 michael,

i would like to know if pert is used in primavera.

thanks,
kath

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-58803 tue, 22 may 2018 20:23:25 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-58803 in reply to asitha seneviratne.

asitha,
1. yes, i think fp 1 is likely less critical than say 5. but sometimes, if you examine total float, you’ll see the same values for activities on fp 1, fp 2 and fp 3 or similar. thus, p6 is trying to identify the many paths and most likely the past with the most activities will be listed first (not 100% verified).
2. yes, if it’s blank, it’s outside the range you selected.
great questions!

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by: asitha seneviratne //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-58186 tue, 08 may 2018 16:27:52 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-58186 michael, very useful and well presented. thank you. couple things i would like to iterate on:

1. when you calculate multiple float paths (mfp) based on ff, does the least float path (fp) (say 1) represent the most critical from a ff standpoint ? an fp = 2 is less critical than an fp = 1 with regards to ff – is that the right understanding ?
2. what does a blank value for the fp mean; is it outside the range of 10 mfp’s you selected in the f9 screen
thanks again
asitha

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by: danang //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-48288 wed, 06 sep 2017 09:43:04 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-48288 how to show longest path or critical path for schedule with complete actual date

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-43355 wed, 08 mar 2017 07:59:01 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-43355 in reply to jean terblanche.

hi jean,
i’m not familiar with the term driving critical path, but i do agree with the backwards method you describe. in fact, it sounds very much like what p6 does with it’s multiple float paths tool, where you can specify say a milestone and determine the driving relationship paths back from that activity. i will add it to the growing queue of topics to go deeper on.

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by: jean terblanche //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-43258 fri, 03 mar 2017 01:03:02 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-43258 hi michael,

thanks for the great tutorial. what are your thoughts on longest path vs driving critical path. driving critical path identified via a backward pass from the activity or milestone identified as your completion for the entire works or sectional works.

i am having allot of difficulty explaining this method to others who struggle to understand that this is the best way to identify the driving critical path.

lets have a workshop on the topic.

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by: tibi ghita-istrate //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-40580 tue, 06 sep 2016 02:50:18 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-40580 in reply to rafael davila.

dear rafael,

realise this is an old post by now, but just curious to know, 10-11y ago, was that primavera v4 or v5?

so in the setup presented,

i.e. independent, concurrent activities competing for the same resource, with the important note that no leveling priorities are assigned (they are equal)

after scheduling (f9, assume with the option for “critical” defined as belonging to the lp, i believe the option has been there ever since p3ec)

and then levelling, or simply levelling (in one go, shift+f9, which i expect to produce no effect, human decision needed, software is clueless)

if you applied a “longest path” filter, you would get all activities filtered out?
instead of 4 equally long longest paths running in parallel, you got nothing?!

or that this is exactly what you got, but somehow expected some kind of levelling to occur regardless of missing input to prioritize?

appreciate a reply by you or whomever can remember that far back. thanks

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-40029 fri, 22 jul 2016 19:45:02 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-40029 in reply to mohammad.

kickoff meeting should not be a level of effort. perhaps a milestone.

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by: mohammad //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-40019 thu, 21 jul 2016 05:03:46 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-40019 in my project, drawing submission can not start without kick of meeting with customer. however, as per above logic, this meeting will be level of effort activity. but if this meeting delays then whole engineering work get delay. so, even if this activity is loe but still it has to be on critical path.

any suggestion……

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by: khuong //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-34898 wed, 11 nov 2015 03:25:56 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-34898 very useful. thank you

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by: usama //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-34260 thu, 15 oct 2015 20:29:56 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-34260 that is a very helpful video.
i would like to know if we want to calculate multiple float by using total float what will be the result then??? can you show us the same procedure by chosing total float option?????

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-29399 wed, 22 jul 2015 17:16:58 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-29399 hi kobie,
it’s a bit advanced to do this, but you’ll have to use p6’s calculate multiple float paths feature to do so. when you use it, you can specify an activity to track the path through – ie cold commissioning. read the post above and watch the video to see the process, but make sure to specify your ending activity in the field “display multiple float paths ending with activity”.
michael

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by: kobie //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-29377 wed, 22 jul 2015 08:15:15 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-29377 how do i see a list of successive driving or sequential activities leading through a project to certain point ie cold commissioning – as a filter all on the schedule.

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by: rafael davila //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-29153 fri, 17 jul 2015 15:03:01 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-29153 trevor how does p6 longest path reports such simple path?

i stopped using p6 about 10 years ago and the longest path report for such simple schedule was empty. at the time it was incapable of showing not a single longest path for such schedule.

if you assign priorities other than changing the sequence, the longest path would consists of the same four activities, just a different order. my question is if p6 still discloses an empty report. if it shows no longest path then it is to expect more complex resource leveled schedule can be in error.

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by: trevor watt //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-29105 wed, 15 jul 2015 20:12:42 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-29105 hello rafael,

in p6 if you had 4 independent activities, each that allowed for a budget of 8 hrs/day, and only one resource available, that could only work to a max of 8hrs/day, the longest path would be 8 months. as there was not a leveling priority assigned to the activities, they would just start and finish in sequential order.

does that answer your question?

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by: rafael davila //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-28958 sun, 12 jul 2015 15:10:39 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-28958 well it looks like oracle primavera p6 longest path does not works on resource leveled jobs.

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by: ravi //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-28406 tue, 23 jun 2015 08:45:21 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-28406 nice article ..

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by: rafael davila //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-27532 wed, 27 may 2015 21:25:23 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-27532 if it’s become generally accepted across many industries using primavera p6 that identifying and tracking a project’s longest path is the best method to keep your project’s deadline in sight then it should also be as good for resource leveled jobs. therefore i would like to see how p6 discloses the longest path on resource leveled jobs.

is it too much of a conundrum for p6?

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by: rafael davila //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-27353 fri, 15 may 2015 13:48:54 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-27353 that is correct, i am asking how p6 shows the longest path on such simple schedule after leveling.

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by: michael lepage //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-27351 fri, 15 may 2015 13:38:01 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-27351 in reply to rafael davila.

hi rafael,
i’ve been looking at this comment for few days, but realize i’m not clear on the set up. you’re asking how p6 shows the longest path after leveling?

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by: rafael davila //www.deco-dalles.com/primavera-p6-longest-path-conundrum/#comment-27058 wed, 06 may 2015 11:17:53 +0000 //www.deco-dalles.com/?p=29781#comment-27058 i am not a p6 user anymore but would like to know how p6 discloses resource leveled schedule longest path under the following simple scenario:

activity 1 , 2 months, 1 resource a
activity 2 , 2 months, 1 resource a
activity 3 , 2 months, 1 resource a
activity 4 , 2 months, 1 resource a

all activities are independent on each other and there are no logic links among activities.

there is only 1 unit of resource a available.

best regards,
rafael

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